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Tinto Brass and Jess Franco

Rudy

almost 4 years ago

I have not seen many films by either Tinto Brass. I have seen Salon Kitty and enjoyed that. I was wondering if anyone could point me in a good direction regarding his work what should I see next? What are his best?

the same goes for Jess Franco whose work Venus in Furs I have seen. I have seen some of Vampryes Lesbos.

Overall lets discuss these filmmakers and their projects and their impact. I am interested in both of these directors.

Dennis...Brian

almost 4 years ago

I am interested in Brass because we seem attracted to the same things.
Brass, unlike a fair amount of erotic directors, is not afraid to go period (now that did not sound right), by that I mean distant past. I think my favorite Brass is PO Box Tinto Brass because Brass himself is narrator and he is always a welcome presence in his films.

Jesse Richards

almost 4 years ago

Franco’s earlier stuff is much more interesting. Venus in Furs is great. I would also highly recommend “A Virgin Among the Living Dead” (but only with the original French- the English dubbing is awful)- and I consider that to be his best film, really creepy and sad and beautiful. It reminds me of these 19th century paintings by Thomas Wilmer Dewing:

Other than that film, also definitely check out “She Killed in Ecstasy”, “Female Vampire”, “Succubus” as well as his version of Count Dracula (which has some problems, but also has some very atmospheric scenes also).

Miasma

almost 4 years ago

I met a fellow whose favorite director was Tinto Brass – he was obsessed with Caligula, Malcolm McDowell & Gore Vidal. Interesting fellow, but… socially stunted, methinks. He burned me a copy of Action. My expectations were high (I also had no idea what to expect). After about two minutes of extremely low quality, watching a man piss on the film’s title scrawled on a wall, I decided I didn’t care for it.

But I do wonder…

Angel

almost 4 years ago

I can not say much about Tinto Brass, I have seen his most famous films (Caligula, The Key) which are not up to much. I have not seen early Chi lavora è perduto, I read that it is worth.

Apart from Venus in Furs, probably his most ambitious film, Franco has several notable films in the 60s: Gritos en la noche is a classic (inspired by Franju’s Eyes Without a Face), Miss Muerte also has supporters, Eugenie is partially succesful…

Rudy

almost 4 years ago

I enjoyed Salon Kitty well done movie. I recommend it to Brass enthusiasts?

How is Vampryos Lesbos from Franco, any good?

Jesse Richards

almost 4 years ago

Vampyros Lesbos is good, but it’s not his best. It’s unfortunate that it is his most famous film.

Daniel Kasman

-moderator-
almost 4 years ago

Love the connection between Franco and the painting, Jesse!

Salem Kapsask​i

almost 4 years ago

“How is Vampryos Lesbos from Franco, any good?”
Vampryos Lesbos is fantastic, while partially following Bram Stocker’s story the film plays like a fairy tail about a girl coming out. (she sees a weird world that seem nightmarish and theatrical to her, yet once she accepts it she discovers a world of beauty, light and freedom…) what a great soundtrack as well. And how often do you see sunbathing Vampires?

Virgin Among the living dead is indeed a masterpiece (kind of plays like a darker Valerie & her week of wonders) a beautiful film and features my favourite Franco performance.

Franco is a great surrealist that should be ranked up there with Bunuel, with a painters eye and a jazz rhythm. His films are usually quite sexy, sensual and often very funny. Even the lessor Franco’s are usually quite interesting, from his straight-forward Horrors (Bloody Moon) to Porn (Doriana Grey)

So far the only film I’ve seen by him that I didn’t like at all was Oasis of Zombies (but the lousy transfer and dvd treatment was also partially to blame for that)

Have only seen 4 films by Tinto, my fav of these being Miranda.

KingofP​ain

almost 4 years ago

Well, Deadly Sweet and The Howl are definitely not straight-forward erotic movies like Salon Kitty (though Salon Kitty is a bit gruesome) or Cheeky!. In fact, The Howl is more like some crazed art film, but not in a good way. Deadly Sweet is barely erotic at all, if I recall, at least compared to Cheeky! and Salon Kitty. The other Tinto Brass movie I’ve seen is Miranda, which is a regular erotic film, but I didn’t care for it.

You really should see Cheeky!, though. It’s pure joyful lust. It doesn’t any weighty historical backdrop or anything like Salon Kitty. It’s just a really good, fun erotic movie that doesn’t try to be anything else.

My two favorite Franco movies are 99 Women and Eugenie… the Story of Her Journey Into Perversion. I guess Eugenie is the one to pick if you want something kind of arty that deals with Marquis de Sade, and also has an appearance by Christopher Lee. The Sexual Story of O is similar, as far as the story goes, to Eugenie, but much more explicit and has even less story. The Devil Hunter is pretty much total exploitative sleaze, but still pretty funny if you’re in the mood.

I haven’t seen the other Eugenie movie, yet, that stars Soledad Miranda.

Rudy

almost 4 years ago

Soledad Miranda, I would see her in anything.

Jesse Richards

almost 4 years ago

@Daniel

Thanks. That top painting I’d go see all the time at Yale Art Gallery back when I lived in New Haven. I’ve been kind of obsessed with it, actually trying to seek things out (films and stuff) that reminded me of it. Anyway, all of the ghostly outdoors scenes in A Virgin Among the Living Dead reminded me of it immediately, particularly that amazing ending.