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Top 10 albums of 2010

Rich Uncle Skeleton

over 3 years ago

I’ve only listened to three 2010 releases, all of which were amazing so considering only one has been thus far listed above I’ll list them here so they receive at least a little bit of love of this thread:

1. Joanna Newsom – Have One on Me 10/10
2. CocoRosie – Grey Oceans 10/10
3. Laura Marling – I Speak Because I Can 9/10

Next year I plan to take a fair amount more interest in new releases.

adrian628

over 3 years ago

She & Him – Volume Two
The Sea – Corinne Bailey Rae

“How can Hip Hop be dead if Wu-Tang are forever?”

I never said it was dead, but it is a shadow of its former self. Commercial greed and falling standards in the world have corrupted the genre.

“There’s probably more great music today than there ever has been, you’ve just got to know where to look and be prepared to hunt it down.”

If there is so much great music in the world, I should be smacking my pretty little dirty blonde head on it without even having to try. I’ve been to festivals, what have you, indie gigs, and a lot of music I hear is unexceptional. In fact, a lot of it is pretty…well, boring.

The fact is music, both alternaitve and mainstream, has never been less creative.

“People who get all “when I was young” about it tend to think the Radio represents all there is, I say fuck the radio.”

Erm, I AM young, thank you very much. And I don’t bother with the radio (except when it’s on at work, not my choice), either. Yes, the radio is full of garbage. But so is MTV, so is Rolling Stone, et al.

One of the best groups I’ve heard—live, on album, anywhere—is this theatrical rock group called Orochi, from Japan. And you know what? For all the grief people give others on this board about liking predominantly “Anglophone” films, the fact is pretty much all of the above albums people have listed are Anglophone recordings. I don’t mind that Orochi sings in Japanese, the fact is they are utterly magnificent. I’d rate them either equal to or above the best stuff going around the radio, television and clubs ‘n’ pubs these days. Their recordings combine hard rock with traditional Japanese instruments and their live shows are insane—Samurai Kabuki J-Rock, a full audio-visual experience.

KaiserS​ennheis​er

over 3 years ago

2010 was a great year for music. One of the best years in recent memory for sure.

unranked Top 12:

Beach House – Teen Dream
Deerhunter – Halcyon Digest
Arcade Fire – The Suburbs
LCD Soundsystem- This Is Happening
Caribou – Swim
Crystal Castles – Crystal Castles (II)
Kanye West – My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Broken Social Scene – Forgiveness Rock Record
The Black Heys – Brothers
Big Boi – Sir Lucious Left Foot…The Son Of Chico Dusty
M.I.A. – /\/\ /\ Y /\
How To Dress Well – Love Remains

12 more:
The Roots – How I Got Over
Hot Chip – One Life Stand
Sleigh Bells – Treats
The National – High Violet
The Walkmen – Lisbon
Reflection Eternal – Revolutions Per Minute
Strong Arm Steady – In Search Of Stoney Jackson
Erykah Badu – New Amerykah Part II: Return of The Ankh
The Left – Gas Mask
Das Racist – Shut Up Dude, Sit Down Man
Four Tet – There Is Love In You
Warpaint – The Fool

I feel sorry for people who say they love music and then say that ther’es no good music these days . . . tsk, tsk, – seek and ye shall find

Balder Strååt

over 3 years ago

Mark, you only mentioned mainstream names. Please investigate a bit in modern music before spewing such bullshit. There is great new music out there if you only bother to find it. Don’t rely on magazines or popular opinion.

Drunken Father Figure of Old

over 3 years ago

Honestly, I like hip hop now a lot more than hip hop 20 years ago, although I don’t really like either. I find the ultra-poppy, obscenely catchy trend that hip hop’s going in to be really encouraging and exciting. While I don’t find them good enough to have on my ipod, I really have been enjoying hearing Lady Gaga’s “Bad Romance” and Ke$ha’s “Don’t Stop” on radios when I’m out. The part where Lady Gaga’s building up to the last chorus when all the tidbits of the song are playing on top of each other gets me pretty pumped up. It’s not super original, but I think it’s relatively intelligent, and it sounds kind of like Animal Collective to me, so of course I have to love that. I love the new importance synthesizers have been playing in modern hip-hop, where many songs have layers upon layers of synths throughout the whole thing. While I realize this isn’t anything completely original, I feel like you should at least give them some credit for making these songs. I also really like that rapping is becoming less and less common, since, honestly, I’ve always just found it boring. I though hip-hop has been going to a much more interesting place this year, while indie has become even more bland.

As for things I’ve listened to in 2010, the two new albums I listened to that I loved were Frog Eyes’ Pauls’ Tomb and Growing’s Pumps!, which I liked better than any other Growing release (sorry purists). Mostly I’ve been bitter about no longer being music director at my college radio station anymore so I’ve been listening to classical, modern comp, and noise almost exclusively (I finally started listening to Yellow Swans a few months ago, and am upset that I didn’t listen to them sooner). Anyway, I wish this was more cohesive, since I have kind of a lot to say about the direction hip hop’s going, but I’m still recovering from surgery and just took a Lortab an hour ago so I’m having a hard time organizing my thoughts well.

Andrew

over 3 years ago

Mark, you have no idea about music. No one said anything about Eminem, and only one dude here likes Kings of Leon. Hardly any of the artists named in all these lists would be written about in Rolling Stone Magazine, in fact Rolling Stone seems to always write about old 60’s bands anyway, so maybe it’s right up your alley. You just sound like you’re trying to start an argument about something that you say you don’t even listen to.

As for Hip hop, it’s not all about the money, that’s just the commercial stuff, which is exactly the same as it was 20 years ago. There are plenty of hip hop artists making music which they give out for free online. One example recently is Tyler, The creator.

Anyway, here’s my top ten:
The National: high violet
Gareth Liddiard – Strange Tourist
Dan Kelly – Dan Kellys dream
these new puritans – hidden
Warpaint – the fool
Zola Jesus – Stridulum 2
The Roots – how i got over
Kanye West – dark twisted..
Big Boi – sir lucious..
the Tallest Man on earth – the wild hunt

Joe and Karen

over 3 years ago

Jack and Diane…I mean Joe and Karen:

Are you trying to tell me that Rolling Stone magazine represents the “elite critical establishment”? One cannot take them seriously about much, especially how they view someone like Kanye West. Saying Rolling Stone is the Bible of musical opinion is like saying Fox News is the Koran of objective factual current affairs reportage.

Yeah Mark, both Fox News and Rolling Stones are part of the elite critical establishment (meaning that they have a high amount of influence and power in their fields). Perhaps not so much on the Rolling Stones part anymore, considering the rising influence of online music websites like Pitchfork. It’s unfortunate, but I think it’s probably true.

I don’t really see the point of Rolling Stone any more, besides a few cool interviews (my favorites were with Merle Haggard and Greg Allman—and a surprise one with Cormac McCarthy). Do they even have music reviews anymore that are over a paragraph?

555-

over 3 years ago

I have the feeling full albums are over, me and everyone I know just (legally) downloads songs, and very rarely albums.

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over 3 years ago

Nah, a lot people I know still buy albums, mostly on vinyl though.

Matthew

over 3 years ago

Swans – My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky
Gareth Liddiard – Strange Tourist
Gil Scott-Heron – I’m New Here
The Fall: You Future Our Clutter

still need to hear the Tindersticks album, but they are fantastic.

Rich Uncle Skeleton

over 3 years ago

I have the feeling full albums are over, me and everyone I know just (legally) downloads songs, and very rarely albums.

I’m the opposite. I never listen to a song, even if it is a song I love, if it’s on an album I don’t like. It just feels weird. I mean, I love California Dreamin’ by The Mamas and the Papas but because I regard all the other songs I’ve heard from The Mamas and the Papas as a bit naff I can’t bring myself to listen to California Dreamin’ for enjoyment. Similarly I only ever put complete albums on my iPod.

Drunken Father Figure of Old

over 3 years ago

I have the feeling full albums are over, me and everyone I know just (legally) downloads songs, and very rarely albums.

You just killed me a little.

Allan

over 3 years ago

Completely agree with Cecil, I personally find it weird how people wouldn’t make their own edit of films by skipping scenes, why it’s so common place with music baffles me. Fuck your shuffle and play-lists, I listen to mother fucking albums.

Also the argument that the internet killed albums completely contradicts my experience, downloading music has been wonderful, the blogspot community introduces me to so much music I would never have heard of otherwise, in album form and lovely flac format to-boot. For example look at the obscene amount of awesome albums on this site http://holyfuckingshit40000.blogspot.com/ of all sorts of different varieties, great stuff. Go to google, type a bands name and the album name and blogspot after it and your sure to be listening to it within 5 mins, and more often than not the site you end up on will have loads of other great music, some you would have never heard of, to check out, Brilliant!

Balder:

Refer to what I’ve typed for Andrew below. But I’ll state it briefly here: even the so-called alternative spews out a lot of bullshit, much like yourself. Who says I rely on magazines? I haven’t bought a music magazine in many years. Get a clue, Baldy.

Andrew:

Yeah, okay, I’ve no idea about music.

Evidently, you have no idea how to read…reminds me of something Frank Zappa once said.

But because you’re obviously a little slow up top, how about I say this V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y.

“If there is so much great music in the world, I should be smacking my pretty little dirty blonde head on it without even having to try. I’ve been to FESTIVALS, what have you, INDIE GIGS, and a lot of music I hear is unexceptional. In fact, a lot of it is pretty…well, boring.”

Sorry, Andrew, but you lose this one. Get a clue and learn how to read before talking shit about people and things you know nothing about. I live in one of the world’s biggest live music circuits, we’re positively teeming with little-known unsingned bands you’ve never heard about, and some of them ARE brilliant. I guess you were so blinded by your own bullshit you missed the part where I said I often go to indie gigs, right?

Yeah, I just sit around reading Rolling Stone all day…bullshit, I haven’t bought a copy in about ten years (and only then because it had a really boss picture of Lucia Rijker…I’m only human…glad I bought it too, I’ve never seen this pic anywhere else, no matter how hard I search, but I digress). I don’t sit around watching MTV all day either, they’re the worst.

Andrew, I love artists such as Diana Anaid, Orochi, Petra Salsjo, Lucy’s Crown, Monique Brumby, Bodyjar, et cetera. Sorry that’s not congruent with what you claim is “music”. And chances are you haven’t heard of them either (but surprise me most pleasantly if you have), so you ought to get a clue yourself before talking shit.

Andrew, you’re a dunce to cotton on to just a couple names I mentioned, I only used them as examples.

I grew up on hip-hop music and I hear it all, commercial and otherwise. I have a brother who lived in L.A. for over three years and is now in Seattle, he always tells me about the latest underground stuff, from very obscure rappers, but none of it grabs me. I’m not a fan of the chopped and screwed stuff and I prefer hip-hop to be melodic and with an ‘80s sound…maybe that’s a matter of taste, but I believe the MC-ing was better twenty years ago, people like KRS-One (THE TEACHER), Rakim, Melle Mel, et al.

Again, little man, don’t accuse me of not being able to back up my shit, when you yourself can’t back up your presumptions about moi.

I wasn’t starting an argument, just stating an opinion. Since when did this message board become North Fucking Korea?

I’m happy to have a frank exchange of thoughts, but when you first line is “Mark, you have no idea about music”, you get the Gas Face.

CECIL WILL:

“California Dreamin’” is a great song, but remember, this has been covered many times. Melanie Safka does a cover of it, but honestly, I was hoping she’d do it up tempo. Perhaps one of your favourites artists does a cover version of it and the rest of their music is more to your liking. I just think it’s a strange and exclusive way of listening to music. That’s why compilation albums were invented. Please don’t let the fact you find The Mamas and the Papas tunes in general less-than-enjoyable disturb your enjoyment of “California Dreamin’”.

JOE AND KAREN:

Music reviews are normally worthless, anyway. What can you say about an album? Albums aren’t like films: you can judge an album much more readily, insofar as “what genre, what era,” and by then you’ve pretty much made up your mind whether you want to listen to it. Often you hear music fans talk about liking music from this genre, that genre, this decade, that decade. Film buffs don’t do that so much. Film buffs eat almost anything. But because of this, film buffs sometimes can use reviews to help separate the sauce from the cyanide. Music reviewers are usually redundant because 99 percent of the time, you’re going to dig the stuff from your favourite musician, regardless what the reviewer says, unless of course the musician(s) in question has totally changed his/her/their style or what have you (and this is what singles and radio play are for, you can suss this out without buying the album or reading a review).

Music reviewers are only really helpful for obscure bands and by the time a band is featured in R.S. Magazine, they’re probably not so unknown anymore. R.S. seems to take pride in being six months (years?)behind everyone else.

Films are much more unpredictable. A film being from Germany during the 1970s probably doesn’t tell you so much whether it’s going to be to your liking (unless you’re an Anglophone who hates subtitles, but then that’s not the movie’s fault).

Marvin Gaye had some good things to say about this (music criticism) on the sleeve of his “What’s Going On” album. To an extent, I agree with Marvin. I mean, people into films usually like all genres. Music snobs tend to be much more narrow. Usually, from my experience, the WORST music fans (i.e. most narrow in terms of what genres they like) are the ones who are most obsessed with music…what I’m trying to say is, you’ll get these types who know everything about, say, metal, punk and grunge, can tell you the drummer’s girlfriend’s hairdresser’s name from this group or that group, but nothing about anything else, to the point where they will revile everything else as garbage.

I prefer to embrace as many genres as possible, finding the best from each. I’ll give anything a chance, but much of what I hear (and I’ll say it again) doesn’t move me. It’s the difference between good and great. And I know a lot of dopes are on these boards…I guess they missed the part where I said there is a lot of good music, but just not enough to justify huge lists of “best of” 2010. Sorry for having some standards. I don’t do “lists by default”.

Balder Strååt

over 3 years ago

tldr

2010 has been great for jazz, improv, and electroacoustic music, end of story

anywher​ebuther​e

over 3 years ago

Artist – Album – out of 10.

Groove Armada – Black Light, 10
Mike Patton – Mondo Cane,10
Bonobo – Black Sands, 9
Four Tet – There is Love in You, 9
Tracey Thorn – Love and its Opposite, 9
Trentemoller – Into the Great Wide Yonder, 9
Underworld – Barking, 9
Bluba Lu – Quadrotopia, 8
Chicane – Giants, 8
Isihia – Otkrovenia, 8
The National – High Violet, 8
Bace Quarter – Bez, 7
Chromeo – Business Casual, 7
Hybrid – Disappear Here, 7
Massive Attack – Heligoland – 7
Youn Sun Nah – Some Girl, 7
Recoil – Selected, 7
UNKLE – Where Did the Night Fall, 7
Isihia – Stihiri , 6
Robyn – Body Talk, 6

Drunken Father Figure of Old

over 3 years ago

Mark,

just because you listen to shitty Australian pop bands that nobody’s ever heard of because nobody cares about music from Austrailia doesn’t make you the smartest asshole in the world. No, I’ve never heard of those bands, but I just looked them all up and they all look and sound pretty shitty, and I guess that’s why I’ve never heard of them. Shitty music doesn’t become better when nobody’s ever heard it. Just ask the Nigel Dupree Band.

Jerry Johnson

over 3 years ago

I only listened to three albums: LCD Soundsystem and Hank III were brilliant and Arcade Fire was lousy.

Jirin

over 3 years ago

I think 2010 is the best year for new music since 1991.

My current top 50:

All time top 50
1. Janelle Monae – The Archandroid
All time top 100
2. The National – High Violet
3. Anais Mitchell – Hadestown
All time top 200
4. Joanna Newsom – Have One On Me
5. LCD Soundsytem – This Is Happening
6. Shining – Blackjazz
7. Erykah Badu – New Amerykah Part Two
8. Big Boi – Sir Luscious Left Foot
9. Lindstrom & Christabelle – Real Life Is No Cool
9/10
10. Charlotte Gainsbourg – IRM
11. Deerhunter – Halycon Digest
12. Sleigh Bells – Treats
13. Sufjan Stevens – The Age Of Adz
14. Grinderman – Grinderman 2
15. The Tallest Man On Earth – The Wild Hunt
16. Jonsi – Go
17. Flying Lotus – Cosmogramma
18. Tame Impala – Innerspeaker
8/10
19. Dum Dum Girls – I Will Be
20. Drive By Truckers – The Big To Do
21. Paul Weller – Wake Up The Nation
22. Dungen – Skit I Allt
23. Gonjasufi – A Sufi & A Killer
24. Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Before Today
25. Kanye West – My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
26. Marnie Stern – Marnie Stern
27. Arcade Fire – The Suburbs
28. Robyn – Body Talk
29. Sufjan Stevens – All Delighted People
30. Avi Buffalo – Avi Bufalo
31. Shearwater – The Golden Archipelago
32. The Ruby Suns – Flights of Fly
33. Mumford & Sons – Sigh No More
34. Ali Farka Toure & Toumani Diabate – Ali and Toumani
35. White Hinterland – Kairos
7/10
36. Blitzen Trapper – Destroyer Of The Void
37. Horse Feathers – Thistled Spring
38. Laura Marling – I Speak Because I Can
39. Kele – The Boxer
40. Picastro – Become Secret
41. Sam Amidon – I See The Sign
42. Laura Viers – July Flame
43. John Grant – Queen of Denmark
44. Neil Young – Le Noise
45. Robert Plant – Band of Joy
46. Swans – My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky
47. Gorillaz – Plastic Beach
48. Belle and Sebastian – Write About Love
49. BLK JKS – Zol!
50. Kylesa – Spiral Shadow

Zachary W

over 3 years ago

Titus Andronicus – The Monitor; Shad – TSOL; Sufjan Stevens – The Age of Adz; Arcade Fire – The Suburbs; LCD Soundsystem – This is Happening; Broken Social Scene – Forgiveness Rock Record; Deerhunter – Halycon Digest; Best Coast – Crazy for You; Big Boi – Sir Luscious Left Foot; Crystal Castles – Crystal Castles (II); Atlas Sound – Bedroom Databank Vol. 1-4; everything Kanye did this year, etc, etc.

There were dozens of bands I barely got to glance at this year. I definitely want to revisit Flying Lotus, Beach House, Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti and Sleigh Bells. And that’s just what comes to mind.

But definitely, more people need to listen to Titus Andronicus.

ArmandS

over 3 years ago

No particular order:

The Bees – Every Step’s A Yes
The Gertrudes – Dawn Time Riot
Various – Califia: The Songs of Lee Hazlewood
Black Mountain – Wilderness Heart
Vampire Weekend – Contra
Arcade Fire – The Suburbs
Robert Plant – Band of Joy
Isobel Campbell & Mark Lanegan – Hawk
Mavis Staples – You Are Not Alone
Field Music – Measure

Special mention must also be made of the latest edition of the Oxford American 12th Annual Music Issue mag and CD. 27 tracks of always cool, fun and varied music, and fantastic writing in the mag itself, as usual.

Wishful purchase: Syl Johnson: Complete Mythology, 4CD and 6LP box by the Numero Group label. Like last year’s Light: On The Southside 2LP and photo book, another reason why we shouldn’t solely rely on downloading as our only option to purchase music in the future. It’s not always about just downloading music to get the groove or the beat, but it’s sometimes about finding out how that groove and beat originated. Besides, Kanye is already most likely sampling this kinda stuff already, if he hasn’t already, and he certainly shouldn’t be taking all the glory away from those who started it all.

remote-​viewer

over 3 years ago

Deathspell Omega — Paracletus
Agalloch — Marrow of the Spirit
Swans — My Father Will Guide Me Up a Rope to the Sky
Weapon — From the Devil’s Tomb
Urfaust — Der Freiwillige Bettler
Kayo Dot — Coyote
Nails — Unsilent Death
Current 93 — Baalstorm, Sing Omega
Allerseelen — Rauhe Schale
Inquisition — Ominous Doctrines of the Perpetual Mystical Macrocosm
Ash Borer/Fell Voices — Split
Ludicra — The Tenant
Electric Wizard — Black Masses
Michael Gira — I am Not Insane
Autechre — Oversteps/Move of Ten
The Body — All the Waters of the Earth Will Turn to Blood
Darkthrone — Circle the Wagons
Alcest — Écailles de Lune
Celeste — Morte(s) Nee(s)
Boris & Ian Astbury — BXI
Yellow Swans — Going Places
Forest Swords — Dagger Paths
Oneohtrix Point Never — Returnal
Emeralds — Does It Look Like I’m Here?
Have a Nice Life — Time of Land EP
Total Abuse — Mutt
Blood of Kingu — Sun in the House of the Scorpion
S — I’m Not as Good At It as You

Andrew

over 3 years ago

Dear Mark,

first of all, I actually did misread part of you post (the part about Rolling Stone) and I apologise for those comments.

As for the ‘you have no idea about music’ comment, well maybe it was a little harsh, but you did write that you never listen to the radio, watch music on TV, read publications, and when you go to gigs (you never said you go often btw), most of the time you don’t even like them. It was your words I was basing that assumption on. Calling me a ‘dunce’, ‘little man’, and ‘slow on top’ is a pretty jerk thing to do.

‘Again, little man, don’t accuse me of not being able to back up my shit’

I didn’t accuse you of anything and you haven’t backed yourself up at all, you just listed a bunch of obscure names, which I could do myself. By the way, I am unfortunate enough to have heard Bodyjar many times. Being from Melbourne means absolutely nothing either, perhaps I live there also?

I don’t know why you were listing bands anyway, I wasn’t criticising your taste. You said there was no great music in the world, and then you go and list a bunch of bands you enjoy.

I didn’t mention the quality of Hip Hop now vs. 20 years ago, or that I know more about it than you do. All I was saying is that it’s not all about greed, there’s a lot of mainstream stuff that is, but there also was 20 years ago. Oh your brother used to live in L.A.? Cool.

‘I wasn’t starting an argument’

I hardly ever post on this site, but I’ve been reading the forums pretty regularly for the last 6 months, and to me it seems like you start arguments a lot. I don’t know what you define an argument as, but your response to Joe and Karen in your first post seems a lot like an argument. But what do I know, I’m a little slow on top.

This is a silly argument and I won’t comment on it further. However, I do like your head band, wanna be friends? What kind of Shampoo do you use?

Yo Drunken Father,

Just to back up Mark a little, Melbourne does in fact have some really great bands. I don’t know what sort of music you like, but if your into more rocky/alt/indie whateves, here are some great Melbourne bands: The Drones, Beaches, Eddy Current Suppression Ring, Mum Smokes, St. Helens, Kid Sam , the Lucksmiths, Dirty Three, Rowland S Howard…

montagn​euse

over 3 years ago

1. Crystal Castles – Crystal Castles (II)
2. Autechre — Oversteps
3. oOoOO – oOoOO
4. Schwefelgelb – Das Ende vom Kreis
5. How To Dress Well – Love Remains
6. Blackbird Blackbird – Summer Heart
7. Brokenchord – The Bluestar
8. Caribou – Swim
9. Eleven Tigers – Clouds Are Mountains
10. Balam Acab – See Birds

Somnamb​ulist

over 3 years ago

the national – high violet
blackbird blackbird – summer heart
alina orlova – mutabor
arcade fire – the suburbs

Steve

over 3 years ago

Thankyou everybody for the excellent comments and lists (minus Mark Vanselow’s comment that just made me yawn).
I see a lot of albums here that I will eventually be checking out! So thankyou very kindly for that!!

Oh and..
“I feel sorry for people who say they love music and then say that ther’es no good music these days . . . tsk, tsk, – seek and ye shall find”

I wholeheartedly agree!!

ecstati​c truth

over 3 years ago

1. Arcade Fire-The Suburbs ……….by far the richest album I’ve heard this year-really back on form after the disappointment that was Neon Bible.

2. Caribou-Swim
3. Crystal Castles- Crystal Castles 2
4. Beach House-Teen Dream
5. Besnard Lakes-Are the roaring night
6.Delorean-Subiza
7. Zola Jesus-Stridilum
8. Ariel Pink- Before Today
9. Maximum Balloon-Maximum Balloon
10. JJ-JJ no.3
11.Liars-Sisterworld

Disappointments: Deerhunter- really unremarkable to my ears. Can barely remember any of the songs and rarely go back to it.

Interpol- really lost it for me now.

Fandori​n-san

over 3 years ago

1. The National – High Violet

2. Gogol Bordello – Trans-Continental Hustle
3. Arcade Fire – The Suburbs
4. Black Keys – Brothers
5. Mike Patton – Mondo Cane
6. Citizen Cope – The Rainwater LP
7. Johnny Cash – Ain’t No Grave
8. Blonde Redhead – Penny Sparkle
9. The Hundred in the Hands – The Hundred in the Hands
10. Chinawoman – Show Me The Face

Andrew:

You can’t accuse my comments of being “jerk things to do” when your first line is that I know “nothing about music”…a comment that by your own admission was terribly harsh. So how did you EXPECT me to reply?

That’s like saying I know nothing about films…and if you made THAT comment, you’d get far worse. Consider yourself lucky. My comments were perfectly justified (vitriolic, but justified) and for all the garbage I receive on these board (thank you, Little Man Steve), I would never start of a post by saying someone “doesn’t know anything about film/music”.

You can’t just come out making absurd comments and then cry foul when someone reacts in a justified manner.

Andrew:

By saying I go to gigs, that should give you the idea that I go often. I mean, if I were to say “I go to the movies”, would you gather that means I go once per year? No. You wouldn’t assume someone means they read Playboy only once a year if they were to tell you “I read Playboy”, and so it goes. “I go to indie gigs” conveys, much like “I watch American football” et cetera that it’s something I do fairly regularly at the least.

I do like some of what I see at indie gigs, and that is how I often find my favourite bands—not through the net, TV, radio, but by seeing them live. Sometimes I am exposed to radio and TV, but my system is see a band, watch the support band, then follow the support band when they headline, and so it goes.There are good bands out there, just not to an extent where I think they are exceptional, as in great enough to warrant 2010 as being a watershed year in music.

Andrew:

Many of the groups people have mentioned in this thread are obscure…and I know the snob in them will cause them to shriek like screamin’ mimis at my previous comment, but it’s basically true. And you know what? There is NOTHING wrong with liking obscure music, films, books, what have you. But if you were to ask the overwhelming majority of people, yes, many of the bands here are obscure. And that’s probably a crying shame, too, maybe they don’t deserve to be obscure…the problem is whenever rsomeone shows me “the next big thing” that is currently unsigned, they’re kidding themselves. I don’t get what some people see in some groups. Good? Perhaps. Exceptional? Unlikely.

“You said there was no great music in the world”

I never said that. With each one of these comments from you, I’m certain that you are now beginning to understand why I hold your intelligence in low regard. I can’t tell whether you misread, can’t compute what I’ve written or just plain lie hoping I’ll miss something. I’m trying to be civil, but when you just make stuff up from thin air, it’s hard to give you any credibility.

“I hardly ever post on this site, but I’ve been reading the forums pretty regularly for the last 6 months, and to me it seems like you start arguments a lot. I don’t know what you define an argument as, but your response to Joe and Karen in your first post seems a lot like an argument. But what do I know, I’m a little slow on top.”

What the hell? I did NOT start an argument with Jack and Diane…I mean Joe and Karen (I still don’t know if it’s one person, two people, or someone with split personalities!).

Joe and Karen knew I wasn’t trying to start an argument, as one can see from his/her/their reply. I was just questioning their view of R.S. Magazine, that’s all. They didn’t chuck a hissy fit, why should you?

“This is a silly argument and I won’t comment on it further.”

Maybe if you didn’t make stupid comments like “Mark, you know nothing about music”, you wouldn’t be involved. I never attacked anyone personally on this board (not at first anyway), I just said, in my usual verbose manner, I’m disappointed by today’s music scene. That’s my opinion to which I am entitled. It never ceases to amaze me how hissy and whiney people can be…then have the chutzpah to complain about what other people say.

“However, I do like your head band, wanna be friends? What kind of Shampoo do you use?”

Wow, that’s the best you can do? Rodney Dangerfield would be so jealous.

If you wish to ridicule my hair, go right ahead, but just remember (a) I still have all my hair, (b) I don’t follow the latest bullshit tonsorial trends (don’t you just LOVE the amount of men in Melbourne with the Bieber Bowl ‘N’ Fringe, the Minnelli Mullet, the Tin-Tin Fauxhawk?) and © women often comment on how beautiful it is and love to run their fingers through it. If you must know, Gallileo, I use an all-natural shampoo and I don’t dye my hair, nor do I use gel or hairspray. So with that in mind, I’ll gladly absorb any silly comments people make, some guys are just too dull and boring and stuck to modern trends to be themselves. Life for me is one big fucking amusement park, hop along for the ride.

Steve:

Considering you exude all the Internet presence and charm of the big brown cardboard box computers are packed in, I wouldn’t be yawning at people on these boards until you add something of colour yourself.

“I feel sorry for people who say they love music and then say that there’s no good music these days . . . tsk, tsk, – seek and ye shall find”

Again, I never said there was no good music around—please learn how to read.

Also, let me take this opportunity to point out something a lot of people do not comprehend—when someone picks up, say, an ancient old record from the 1960s they haven’t heard before, that is “new” music to them. Not to the world at large, but to THEM it’s new, something they’ve never before heard.People who ridicule me for fancying old music are no different to those who ridicule someone for liking old films.

I don’t get these people who will be so eager to witness the latest Hollywood movie set in, say, 1956, but won’t watch a classic movie that really WAS made in 1956, therefore having more authenticity of the period.

Same with music—some groups try to have a 1960s or ‘70s sound (and some do it quite well) but where’s the harm in liking the music when it was done the first time around? Also, these young whippersnappers who view everything made before 1992 with great cynicism will one day wake up to realise (guess what?) their music is OLD too!

Don’t feel sorry for me, I have fun digging through the crates and discovering old music, just as I love discovering old films. Every now and gain, some new music comes along that I think is great, but I don’t hold my breath, either.

Drunken Old Nitwit:

“…just because you listen to shitty Australian pop bands that nobody’s ever heard of because nobody cares about music from Austrailia doesn’t make you the smartest asshole in the world. No, I’ve never heard of those bands, but I just looked them all up and they all look and sound pretty shitty, and I guess that’s why I’ve never heard of them. Shitty music doesn’t become better when nobody’s ever heard it. Just ask the Nigel Dupree Band.”

Ah, nobody cares about music from Australia? Yeah, okay. Just think about the bands Australia has produced during the past 30 years, then stand in the corner and consider what a douche you are.

And if you exclude bands on the basis of them being Australian, you’re just as much of a moron as someone who claims to be a film buff but won’t watch Australian films just because they’re Australian films. Again, many of the groups listed here are, relatively speaking, obscure.

Oh, by the way, none of the groups I listed could be called “pop”, Drunken Old Cronie. But when you say that an artist the calibre of Monique Brumby is “shitty”, that shows your standard of musical appreciation right there. Maybe you don’t like folk music, that’s a matter of taste, but to say this woman can’t sing or write music is totally ignorant. All the others are great, too. You remind me of Molly Meldrum, Drunken (he’s often on the piss, too!): a culture whore who runs down “obscure” music as crap, only to cotton on to it when it becomes hot stuff. I have a feeling I could list numerous classic rock bands from Australia’s past and you’d still find room to talk shit. And it’s true: Melbourne has a worldwide reputation as one of the best live music circuits for both local and visiting bands to play. It’s not uncommon for overseas bands to book extra shows here and live music is always big business in this city.

Melbourne has produced some major bands who’ve made great music. But oh, that’s right, you come from ATHENS, GEORGIA! A city so great, it had to name itself after a famous European city in order to get noticed!

Yeah, because when people think great live music circuits, they don’t think about Melbourne, Australia or Austin, Texas…they thinks of ATHENS, GEORGIA!